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painsey (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
asshole
geardude56 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
explicit clearance? They didn't even receive a vague take off clearance!!!
geardude56 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
dude, they (d) are racist, they just ignored those "(n.s.)", can't you tell them by their behavior in S. America? So they ignore the atc's who are natives and with heavy racism disobey them. Like a police officer who ignores a few school children and gets his head blown off. Fools... Patronizing their superiors
uploader1010 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
he just took off without permission
taffina123 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
That's an understatement. He's responsible for the manslaughter of over 500 people as far as I'm concerned. He totally IGNORED instructions in that kind of visibility? Unforgivable.
uploader1010 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Van Zanten was a Ignorant/arrogant piece of crap captain
fightingtemeraire (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
The KLM crew made a number of inexcusable errors: first and foremost, they attempted takeoff without explicit clearance. Further, the PNF (in this case the FO) should have copied the essential parts of what he thought was the takeoff clearance, "[flight number] cleared to takeoff [runway number]" and once they began the takeoff he should have transmitted "[flightnumber] rolling". If he had done either of these things, the controller would have been aware of what was happening in time.
fightingtemeraire (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
A lot of people died because a KLM 747 attempted takeoff without clearance.
mikeboosh (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Details The Pan-Am pilots were very confused as to the turn-off and messaged the tower repetedely that they were having trouble finding it. The controller was short with the pilots with his "3 1, 2, 3" transmission. Also, the Pan-Am pilots "we're still on the runway" transmission was squaked out due to the controller trying to broadcast at the same time. The KLM pilot was trying to rush getting off the ground because he feared the airport would be closed due to fog further delayng the flight.
Boaz11 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Yeah.It is a very sad ending for such an Aircraft. |