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caucazoidandroid (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
I think capitalism and free enterprise are totally different things. Someone selling or bartering a bit of excess kimchi in return for another vegetable or specialized service sounds more like mutualism. The point is the resources (land, water, factory, etc) should be controlled by direct democracy, while the labor put into the land should be directly owned by the laborer. If you work for yourself, then you are in charge of yourself. If you work for someone else, it's wage slavery.
ozinba (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Thanks so much, peak moment. You always cheer me up after I freak out about peak oil and collapse, and all the panic and aggression that you can find. People get scared, angry and aggressive when they are faced with peak oil and climate change and all. You can read a lot of that in blogs and other places. But you are building alternatives, with calm and peace. Thank you.
peakmoment (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Sounds like a good balance - I'd value something similar. As we have less energy, life will of necessity become simpler. Going solar does make life simpler (we're off-grid). But it'll be important to have low-tech options, like hand tools, especially as liquid fuels get pricier and rationed.
NoirMusic (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
How very Buddhist. :) I think culturally speaking we've created enough complexity to see that simplicity IS the way to go, however we do have the benefit we can keep certain aspects of the modern. My ideal would be a solar powered farm with chickens and lots of growing space for food while still be able to access the internet to share ideas and get help from like minded people. I don't think I'd want to go completely low-tech myself.
Bullettube (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
I didn't realize that it was so dry in Eugene. I save maybe 250 gals of water for a possible dry spell and have fallen back on it only a couple of times where I live. Except for tomatoes, peppers and cucumbers, none of my veggies need a lot of water.
peakmoment (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
I totally agree. I think our wants-based culture is based on addictions--you keep wanting more and more, but getting it doesn't satisfy the need. I think "more stuff" makes up for a need for love, connection, security, belonging, sharing.
tennigkeit24 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
yes, and in my opinion the major difference is in between a needs based economy, where we are all taking care of each other and our needs, and a want based economy, where we are all competing with each other.
lrvives (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
The complexity of the resilience of this edible botanical vegerarian polyethylene garden made with chicken manure is really devastatingly funny LOLLook at the language of this video...ugh!!
peakmoment (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
I think the capitalist system encourages monocultures (or specialization), as you say, but nature goes for diversity and resilience. I believe many tribal cultures have some trading, but the less they needed to trade, the less vulnerable they were.
pookiecatblue (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
I'm so glad to see this concept taking hold here in the U.S. We need a lot more of this. This is LOGICAL and much more ENJOYABLE. I wish things were more like this during my entire lifetime, but I guess better late than never! |
